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Tariq Ahmed says about the surname dar Many people have a confusion that Dar and dhar are same, but it is not the case. Dhar are from Pandits, Dar are a rajput sect. They are mentioned in Rajatarangini as Damara. Other sects include tantre, magre.
Comment was made 8 years ago
Tariq Ahmed says about the surname Khan @ Moazzam Khan: It is from afgan migrants.
Comment was made 8 years ago
Bimal Seli says about the surname seli Seli's of Kashmir valley had original surname as Fotedar & where living at a village called Seul near Ashmukam, Pahalgam. In mid 19th century family migrated to Rainawari, Srinagar.
Comment was made 8 years ago
RAJESHWAR DHAR says about the surname Dhar 'DHARS' ARE ABORIGINAL KASHMIRIS N SOME KEPT ON MIGRATINGD TO OTHER PARTS OF INDIA DUE TO TYRANNY OF MUSLIMS N MUSLIM RULERS. THOSE WHO HAD WILL N POWER CONTINUE TO BE PART OF KASHMIR TILL DATE. ORIGINAL DHARS BELONGED TO SAFAKDAL OF SRINAGAR KASHMIR FROM WHERE MATA RUPA BHAWANI WAS BORN. SHE WAS GREAT GRAND DAUGHTER OF MERRU DHAR N I AM PART OF THIS CLAN BEING 17TH GENERATION. SO WHAT IS THE CONFUSION ABOUT, IT IS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT DHARS FROM BENGAL WOULD BE BELONGIMG TO SAME CLAN AS SIRA ZU DAULLAH N HIS SON HAD GIVEN SHELTER TO HOST OF KASHMIRI PANDITS IN LUCKNOW, ALLAHABAD, BENGAL ETC AS HE RULED OVER THESE PLACES . THE QUESTION IS THAT ONE HAS TO FIND ONES ORIGIN N CO RELATE. IN THE PROCESS TOO,SURNAMES, CASTES ETC DO KEEP ON CHANGINGN CAN TAKE DIFFERENT OPINIONS , AS THE SOCIETY IS ALWAYS IN THE STATE OF FLUX. AS FAR AS I KNOW MY FAMILY BELONGS TO 'DHAR CLAN' OF SAFAKADAL BEING DIRECT DESCENDENTS OF GOPAL DHAR , BROTHER OF MATA RUPA BHAWNAI HAVING 'DHAR BHARDWAJ' AS GOTRA TO WHICH ALL DHARS OF THIS CLAN BELONG. OUR ANCESTPRS HAVE HELD PREMIUM POSITIONS WITH KINGS, NAWABS, MUSLIMS RULERS , PESKIRS DURING MUSLIM RULERS IN LAST 500 YEARAS IN PRE PARTITION NORTH INDIA INCLUDING KASHMIR N LATER IN POST PARTITION WITH GOI. SO OTHER KASHMIR SURNAMES LIKE KOULS, BHANS, ZUTSHIS, KILAMS ETC HAVE HELD. IN URDU LANGUAGE THE PRONUNCIATION DHAR IS NOT POSSIBLE, SO THE SURNAME DHAR OF CONVERTS CHANGED TO DARS... WE HAVE DARS IN PAK ACCESSED KASHMIT TOO BEING CONVERTS. THIS IS HISTORICAL FACT N ONE NEEDS TO CO RELATE ONES ANCESTRY LIKE ME ... THANKS N BEST WISHES.
Comment was made 8 years ago
Jeevan Koul says about the surname Dhar Dhars are originally from Kashmir thereis no doubt about it. Kashmir always remains a disputed place. Since the invasion of muslim rulars like Budh Sikan, Sultan Shal, Rinchan and Mougals Kashmiris always facing Islami Jehad which is the most unfortunate sufferer of Religious violence, be it at the hands of Islam. It is noted in the history of Kashmir that pandits were forceably converted to islam and otherwise 1) The Hindus will not construct any new temples under the rule of Muslims. 2) They will not repair old temples fallen into ruins. 3) They will respect Muslims. 4) They will not dress like Muslims. 5) They will not ride a horse with saddle & bridle 6) They will not put on a ring. 7) They will not carry swords or bows & arrows. 8 ) They will not adopt Muslim names 9) They will not harbour spies or act as spies 10) If any relation of their’s wants to embrace Islam, they will not oppose it. 11) If a Muslim comes to attend a Hindu meeting he will be respectfully received. 12) They will receive Muslim travelers into their houses & provide them hospitality. 13) They will not prevent Muslim travelers from staying in their temples & shrines. 14) They will not mourn their dead loudly. 15) They will not buy Muslim slaves. 16) They will not build houses in neighborhood of Muslims. 17) They will not sell intoxicating drinks. 18) They will not carry their dead near the grave-yards of Muslims. 19) They will not openly practice their customs & usages among Muslims. 20) They will not give up their traditional dress so that they can be distinguished from Muslims. 21) If a Muslim wants to marry hindu woman, no one will oppose. 22) They will not celebrate any festivals i.e, Navreh, Janamsatam, Zeyth Asthami and Shivratri therefore The episode of herath (Shivratri) is well known to every Kashmiri that when a Afghani ruler in Kashmir namely Jabbar Khan decreed that Kashmiri Pandits must celebrate Shivratri in month of Haar (i.e. around July) since it was not a big deal for snowfall to happen in Kashmir in Phalgun (i.e. around Feb or March). Forced by the decree Pandits celebrated Shivratri once more at peak of summer that year - and it actually snowed that day in summer. The incident is still recalled by Kashmiri's in a folk rhyme just recall the kashur rhyme “Vuchton' ye Jabbar jandhe' Haar-as te' korun wande') Therefore, Kashmiri pundits felt unsafe in those circumstances and they preferred to leave Kashmir and settle in the falflung areas like Kishtwar, Dachan, Marwah, Bhadarwah, Poonch etc., may be Gujrat and Bengal also. Further, it is pertainent to mention here that all the muslims of Kashmir were pandits they must read their own history of ancient Kashmir and also notice your surnames Kashmiri pandits Dhar and became Dar when converted to islam similarly Bhat became Butt Wanchoo became Wani some have changed some are still running with the same caste Kouls, Pandits Rishi Maliks, Guru etc., only eleven brave hindu families could save themselves
Comment was made 8 years ago
Arun Dhar says about the surname Dhar I am originally from Bengal (Bangladesh to be specific), my last name is Dhar, gotra Bharadwaj. Mostly, I grew up in Canada. I know many Indians here (including kashmiri), and they think I am a Kashmiri because of my look and last name, but when I tell them I am neither Kashmir nor a Brahmin, they find it difficult to believe, which made me interested in doing bit of digging about my origin and I ended up here. Am I really of Kashmiri origin?
Comment was made 8 years ago
Sahil says about the surname wattal wattals are the descendents of a saint by the name watulnath and are not schedule caste...They belong to the upper class
Comment was made 8 years ago
Dr. Partha Pratim Dhar says about the surname Dhar Our gotro is 'Shandillyo'.
Comment was made 8 years ago
Dr. Partha Pratim Dhar says about the surname Dhar I am Dr. Partha Pratim Dhar, associate Professor, Department of Botany, Rangamati Govt. College, Bangladesh. We are of Dhar family in the village Dabua, Raozan, Chittagong, Bangladesh. I've listened to my forefathers about our ancestry was from Kashmir. We would use 3fold 'Poita' and by profession our ancestors were Brahmin. During the reign of Emperor Shayesta Khan, Mughal emperor, one of our forefather who worked in the army of suja Uddin settled himself in Chakrasala, Patiya, Chittagong, Bangladesh. In course of time, our population increased and they scattered in different places. One part was settled in Dabua, Raozan, Chittagong. I request anybody to contact in my phone no. 008801718211284, eemail: partha_66bd@yahoo.com
Comment was made 8 years ago
Dr. Partha Pratim Dhar says about the surname Dhar I am Dr. Partha Pratim Dhar, associate Professor, Department of Botany, Rangamati Govt. College, Bangladesh. We are of Dhar family in the village Dabua, Raozan, Chittagong, Bangladesh. I've listened to my forefathers about our ancestry was from Kashmir. We would use 3fold 'Poita' and by profession our ancestors were Brahmin. During the reign of Emperor Shayesta Khan, Mughal emperor, one of our forefather settled himself in Chakrasala, Patiya, Chittagong, Bangladesh. In course of time, our population increased and they scattered in different places.
Comment was made 8 years ago