Mazhar Butt, if you may give name of the author of the book "Butt Se Bhatti", also mention name of the publisher and its contact nos or email, if you found and provide. i will be grateful of you.
What you have said , are very true and represents, your detailed study on the topic.
Kashmiri and those who are from the valley and surrounding, had refused to serve in the british army, and shown more loyalty with their faith and they also refused to fire on the holly places. once some body told me that from there, the Kashmiris laid the weapons down on the land and replied "TAPSIS TAY THUS KARSIS", where as people from other parts, those mostly are these days known as Martial shown their utmost obediency to the british and whent to the extent to attack holly places during world war 1 and II.I hardly found any coward kashmiri,they believe inhardwork and are very friendly. however, it is very strange that they flare up in moments and there are conflicts among themselves in the kashmir that resulted to immense loss of lives and property and they are suffering due to which as to today. although they showed act of bravery and valor, but lacking a central command and unity at large. you may please send me over the information, i requested here.moazzamk55@hotmail.com
MBMazhar Butt
October 11, 2012 at 1:31 PM
there is a certain ethnic group living in Kashmir (Indian occupied) called ''DAANGARS''. They are certainly not Pundits but an inferior lot...having dirty habits and found near the Dal lake.
Mirs are Kashmiri's and yes, they are said to have traveled to Kashmir from Central Asia and some European countries and are also reported to be converts from Jews. Whether Hindu or Muslim makes no difference because most of the casts belong to the higher Pundit dynasty...
AAAltaf Ahmed Mir
September 24, 2012 at 12:28 AM
The comments came from learned Kashmiris and non-kashmiris are knowledgeable. I'm also belong to a Kashmiri clan known as Mirs. My great grand fathers came to Amratsar in 18th. century during great drought of Kashmir valley. I think Kashmiris came to India from central Asia and Germany in 2000BC, and settled down along the bank of Saraswati river. Most of them spreaded all over India including Kashmir valley as the river water dried up. After partition and even before, most of Kashmiri clan migrated to present Pakistan. Kashmiris generally are known to be strong and well built,fare in complexion and good looking people. There is saying that you must have a big tummy if you'r a Butt. They have tremendous love for food.
BSBd Sharma
August 20, 2012 at 10:46 AM
Every one as quoted above must be correct. One most correct thing is that man migrated from one place to another in search of bread, butter, peace, harmony, love and security with out fear of country boundary ie LOC today and found to dwell where ever he like shelter. So better not clash or discuss about this particular BHATT surname. There must be some ancestral common thing in the past which is being discussed today. We all are human first despite of any religion or countryman-ship
BSBd Sharma
August 20, 2012 at 10:45 AM
Every one as quoted above must be correct. One most correct thing is that man migrated from one place to another in search of bread, butter, peace, harmony, love and security with out fear of country boundary ie LOC today and found to dwell where ever he like shelter. So better not clash or discuss about this particular BHATT surname. There must be some ancestral common thing in the past which is being discussed today. We all are human first despite of any religion or countryman-ship
CSChandan Sharma
June 22, 2012 at 11:53 PM
Bhatt's are Prominent Brahmin from ancient time . For your reference you can take example of any sanskrit book written by Aryabhatt,van bhatt, Panini,gaga bhatt, kumaril bhatt . No argument on this whether their origin is kasmir or any where else. They were always part of different kingdom thats the reason u can find them every where in india. Later when muslims came some of them changed their religion like any other caste. That's it be cool :)
MBMazhar Butt
June 13, 2012 at 5:41 PM
@ Dr Ayushman Bhat
Those street singers whom you purport to be Bhatts are not Kashmiri Pundits at all. They are called Bhands and belong to an inferior ancestory. It seems they have adopted the name Bhat to stay in equivalence with the higher Kashmiri caste Bhat or Butt. I am not sure about other Bhats in Karnatka or East Bihar and very much doubt them being the real Kashmiri Bhats or Butts. Only a DNA test can perhaps reveal their actual hereditary or caste.
SSumitbhatt
May 20, 2012 at 8:41 AM
i don't about rajesthan bhat because iam bhatt rajasthani bhatt some body ask me what the mean of bhatt iam glad please any body tell whats the mean of bhatt
MBMazhar Butt
May 17, 2012 at 2:20 PM
Does anyone know the origin of the surname Butt as listed against Dame Clar Butt's name?? What is the connection between her nationality and Kasmiri surname and how many other British people have their surnames as Butt's and how did their surname as Butt originate?? Quite a mystery which still has to be researched for roots!
Here is more about her,,,,,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dame_Clara_Butt
Dame Clara Ellen Butt, DBE (1 February 1872 – 23 January 1936), sometimes called Clara Butt-Rumford after her marriage, was an English contralto with a remarkably imposing voice and a surprisingly agile singing technique. Her main career was as a recitalist and concert singer.
MBMazhar Butt
May 14, 2012 at 3:54 PM
There is a book published in Pakistan wherein the author has proven that Butts and Bhatti's are the same. The name of the book is 'Butt se Bhatti''...If someone wants to learn more about his caste he can buy this book from any leading book publisher in Lahore or Karachi.
I am a pure Kasher breed- Butt, Lone's and Tantra's.
My grand father/dadi migrated to Wazirabad from Kashmir, my nana/nani from Jammu.....my father moved from Bomabay to Karachi at the time of Patition. I live in Karachi but have never heard of any Kashmiri writing his name as 'Bhatt''...
I had a customer from India, his name was Arun Bhatt, and he told me he was a Rajput and spoke Marathi and had no concern with Kashmir or Kashmiri's.
According to Munshi Mohd Din Fauq, Butt's of Kashmir were a tribe like any other clan there. They overcame the Lone's who were among the ruling class and ruled Kashmir for some time when they were subdued by the Lone's. According to him and some other sources lower castes of Kashmiri's such as those Daangars etc switched over to call themselves Butt's. Even the Dars began to write Butt's with their names. Even today in Pakistan you will note people addressing Kashmiri of every Kashmiri caste as Butt's which goes to prove some element of 'superiority' does exist with the title BUTT?
I also read somewhere that Kashmiri's of ancient times tranfixed the name of the place they belonged to with their names. I am not sure if there is any place in Kashmir called Butt?? Also, it is said that due to extremely religious-mindeness and saint-worshipping nature of the Kashmiri's many non-Butt's and people of other ethnic races who had settled down in Kashmir adopted the titles such as Khawaja with their names.
I have glimpsed through the ancient history of Kashmir, the famous book called Taringini but was surprised to find NO mention of the caste Butt. However, it was consoling to note that all Kashmiri's were descendants of Princes or Raja's! That give Kashmiri's a valid plus point. Let not people like MU Butt wiggle and wallow with jealousy againt a fellow Kashmiri...
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Add CommentWhat you have said , are very true and represents, your detailed study on the topic.
Kashmiri and those who are from the valley and surrounding, had refused to serve in the british army, and shown more loyalty with their faith and they also refused to fire on the holly places. once some body told me that from there, the Kashmiris laid the weapons down on the land and replied "TAPSIS TAY THUS KARSIS", where as people from other parts, those mostly are these days known as Martial shown their utmost obediency to the british and whent to the extent to attack holly places during world war 1 and II.I hardly found any coward kashmiri,they believe inhardwork and are very friendly. however, it is very strange that they flare up in moments and there are conflicts among themselves in the kashmir that resulted to immense loss of lives and property and they are suffering due to which as to today. although they showed act of bravery and valor, but lacking a central command and unity at large. you may please send me over the information, i requested here.moazzamk55@hotmail.com
Mirs are Kashmiri's and yes, they are said to have traveled to Kashmir from Central Asia and some European countries and are also reported to be converts from Jews. Whether Hindu or Muslim makes no difference because most of the casts belong to the higher Pundit dynasty...
Those street singers whom you purport to be Bhatts are not Kashmiri Pundits at all. They are called Bhands and belong to an inferior ancestory. It seems they have adopted the name Bhat to stay in equivalence with the higher Kashmiri caste Bhat or Butt. I am not sure about other Bhats in Karnatka or East Bihar and very much doubt them being the real Kashmiri Bhats or Butts. Only a DNA test can perhaps reveal their actual hereditary or caste.
Here is more about her,,,,,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dame_Clara_Butt
Dame Clara Ellen Butt, DBE (1 February 1872 – 23 January 1936), sometimes called Clara Butt-Rumford after her marriage, was an English contralto with a remarkably imposing voice and a surprisingly agile singing technique. Her main career was as a recitalist and concert singer.
I am a pure Kasher breed- Butt, Lone's and Tantra's.
My grand father/dadi migrated to Wazirabad from Kashmir, my nana/nani from Jammu.....my father moved from Bomabay to Karachi at the time of Patition. I live in Karachi but have never heard of any Kashmiri writing his name as 'Bhatt''...
I had a customer from India, his name was Arun Bhatt, and he told me he was a Rajput and spoke Marathi and had no concern with Kashmir or Kashmiri's.
According to Munshi Mohd Din Fauq, Butt's of Kashmir were a tribe like any other clan there. They overcame the Lone's who were among the ruling class and ruled Kashmir for some time when they were subdued by the Lone's. According to him and some other sources lower castes of Kashmiri's such as those Daangars etc switched over to call themselves Butt's. Even the Dars began to write Butt's with their names. Even today in Pakistan you will note people addressing Kashmiri of every Kashmiri caste as Butt's which goes to prove some element of 'superiority' does exist with the title BUTT?
I also read somewhere that Kashmiri's of ancient times tranfixed the name of the place they belonged to with their names. I am not sure if there is any place in Kashmir called Butt?? Also, it is said that due to extremely religious-mindeness and saint-worshipping nature of the Kashmiri's many non-Butt's and people of other ethnic races who had settled down in Kashmir adopted the titles such as Khawaja with their names.
I have glimpsed through the ancient history of Kashmir, the famous book called Taringini but was surprised to find NO mention of the caste Butt. However, it was consoling to note that all Kashmiri's were descendants of Princes or Raja's! That give Kashmiri's a valid plus point. Let not people like MU Butt wiggle and wallow with jealousy againt a fellow Kashmiri...